i have seen debates and shizzle about god or not god etc etc.. i was even confronted by an aggressive and trheatening muslim in the street, who was angry that i wanted proof that god existed.
he ranted on a load of old b0110cks about 'hell' and stuff.
finally he yelled at me: 'do you want god to write your name in the sky?
I may have to give up reading this thread because whilst I am enjoying the thoughts of all....I am finding it incredibly tedious reading the same post broken down and answered sentence by sentence. Having it dissected only to read the answer.... Yes...or No.
I don't really want to read the same post over and over in the next persons response. Just a response would be really appreciated.
Thanks anyway for the interesting dialogue.
i have seen debates and shizzle about god or not god etc etc.. i was even confronted by an aggressive and trheatening muslim in the street, who was angry that i wanted proof that god existed.
he ranted on a load of old b0110cks about 'hell' and stuff.
finally he yelled at me: 'do you want god to write your name in the sky?
Who is Maeve? Did you mean humbled tec?
i have seen debates and shizzle about god or not god etc etc.. i was even confronted by an aggressive and trheatening muslim in the street, who was angry that i wanted proof that god existed.
he ranted on a load of old b0110cks about 'hell' and stuff.
finally he yelled at me: 'do you want god to write your name in the sky?
rawe..I am enjoying this too.
I believe God exists, but only within the minds of believers .
So using this logic...zeus existed...but only while his believers did. Once they all ceased to exist...so did Zeus.
i know most jehovah's witnesses believe in the soul sleeping doctrine.
by this, given that neither man nor beast has a spirit, but that they do possess souls (or "intelligences" unique to themselves).
where this intelligence resides between death and resurrection is more than a passing interest, but again, assuming that yehweh can recreate one's distict soul, does the society believe that animals have souls?
I don’t think consciousness can be defined really because I don’t see it as limited by the physical.
I'm not so sure about that. Without the physical...I don't think we are conscious. The physical is what creates our consciousness. How conscious were you before you were born?
When you are anaesthetised you are totally unconscious. Much more so than when you are just asleep. Drugs have stopped your ability to be aware of anything, they have targeted the part of your brain that disables your ability to think, hear, feel pain, dream, all the things that a conscious person can do. There is just a void of time, it's an odd thing being anaesthetised, time leaps from one place to another. Quite different to being asleep where you awaken still feeling like you had that time.
Your body continues to function without you even knowing it. It uses a different part of your brain. When we can separate the brain into areas and control it this way, shutting down one function whilst leaving another in tact...it kinda proves that consciousness is physical don't you think?
What we perceive as emotions, thoughts etc are merely the process of survival that we have expanded on and developed into a form of intelligence. The traits are there, even in animals...but the ability to transfer thoughts into action is a very human trait. To be able to control our environment the way we do now goes far beyond animals capabilities. Humans have somehow developed different ways to survive and in that process have developed a way to destroy ourselves too. THAT isn't very intelligent at all.
Of course...another way of thinking about consciousness is...
I love Carl Sagan so much...I'm going to leave another couple of quotes
i know most jehovah's witnesses believe in the soul sleeping doctrine.
by this, given that neither man nor beast has a spirit, but that they do possess souls (or "intelligences" unique to themselves).
where this intelligence resides between death and resurrection is more than a passing interest, but again, assuming that yehweh can recreate one's distict soul, does the society believe that animals have souls?
Daniel Dennett's book on consciousness...cofty
I'm going to add that to my reading list too...thanks.
i have seen debates and shizzle about god or not god etc etc.. i was even confronted by an aggressive and trheatening muslim in the street, who was angry that i wanted proof that god existed.
he ranted on a load of old b0110cks about 'hell' and stuff.
finally he yelled at me: 'do you want god to write your name in the sky?
Interesting rawe...I had never looked at belief in god quite like that. Marking to see where this conversation goes.
i know most jehovah's witnesses believe in the soul sleeping doctrine.
by this, given that neither man nor beast has a spirit, but that they do possess souls (or "intelligences" unique to themselves).
where this intelligence resides between death and resurrection is more than a passing interest, but again, assuming that yehweh can recreate one's distict soul, does the society believe that animals have souls?
OMGosh Seraphim...I'd have to find the video, and I would have to rewatch it to make a list. Don't get me wrong. I didn't disagree with everything he said. I just don't think it really explained consciousness, well not to my satisfaction. I haven't watched the video cofty has posted. But I have bookmarked it to watch.
I am quite a Dan Dennet fan...and have read some of his books. But not on consciousness...I've only watch one of his videos on that.
I think it was this video I watched.
they were allways off limits when jw's.. but now, analysing everything, there are more questions.. like what about healers, and alternative therapies etc.. .
I have been to a chiropractor a few times. First time was during pregnancy...my back went out...I was in so much pain I could barely walk. That chiroprtator also did some other althernative type of pressure treatements. He said that he couldn't do any manipulation because I was 8 months pregnant at the time and asked if I was ok for him to try something else. Of course I was happy to try ANYTHING at that point, I was in tears and could not stand up straight.
He got me to lie on the bed and simply put his hands under my lower pelvis, I don't know what he did, I barely felt anything at all. 20 minutes later, I got up off that bed and felt wonderful. Pain was GONE.
Second time I went to chriopractor I had dislocated my rib...could hardly breathe. After some massage and stretching she pushed that thing back into place. PROBLEM FIXED. Plus I felt great afterwards.
I'm not sold on homeopathy...it would take a lot to convince me that that does anything. But naturapathy is a different story. I have had a lot of success with herbal remedies when conventional medical treatment has failed or made the problem worse.
I use a herbal cough mixture for my son now when he is coughing at night. Works straight away, everytime with no bad side effects like cough mixtures from a chemist. Which studies have now shown are not good for children and not recommended. In fact, my doctor told me they have shown to be innefective anyway. I also use a natural chest rub on my son now. No petrolium based products being rubbed into my sons chest any more.
i know most jehovah's witnesses believe in the soul sleeping doctrine.
by this, given that neither man nor beast has a spirit, but that they do possess souls (or "intelligences" unique to themselves).
where this intelligence resides between death and resurrection is more than a passing interest, but again, assuming that yehweh can recreate one's distict soul, does the society believe that animals have souls?
Seraphim I have read about that doctor...I didn't find him compelling at all.
Dan Dennet has some thought provoking ideas about consciousness...but I still don't think he addresses the issue itself. I have watched other videos of his on the subject. Does he go more indepth in this one cofty? I watched one recently where he said that other philosophers told him he couldn't define consciousness...so he proceeded to do so. Frankly, his definition left me asking more questions than it answered. Ha! maybe thats the idea. LOL
i know most jehovah's witnesses believe in the soul sleeping doctrine.
by this, given that neither man nor beast has a spirit, but that they do possess souls (or "intelligences" unique to themselves).
where this intelligence resides between death and resurrection is more than a passing interest, but again, assuming that yehweh can recreate one's distict soul, does the society believe that animals have souls?
Interesting post seraphim... consciousness is a difficult thing to define. And perception and understanding is fluid. Consciousness is not something tangebale. The only thing we really know about it, is without the use of our brain...we are unconscious. If we are anesthetized it is as though we don't even exist. We have no awareness of anything that is happening. Without consciousness. What are we?
